Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: Prologue

Hey, everybody, and welcome to we are not afraid. This is the podcast that exposes the truth among all the lies, of course. I'm your host, David McClam. All right, so welcome to this prologue.

There's some things I needed to come and let you guys know about the show. When you're gonna see the first drop, things that's been coming in, there's a lot of things I need to discuss.

I'm making this and to let you know how things is going. And I'm gonna answer back a few things that I have seen so that I can correct them and put the truth out there so you guys know what's going on.

First thing I'm gonna say is, the only thing that I agree with when it comes to the host of the pretend podcast, is that this type of investigation or this type of work takes time. That is also, if you're doing it correctly, we can agree to disagree. We can agree to disagree that he is the journalist. Everybody swears that he is.

Because you have awards don't mean Jack, I got awards for a whole lot of things, except for I back up how I got that award and why this type of reporting is not that, but I'm actually doing my journalistic job. So because of the fact that some of these things take time, I would be dropping episodes as I can.

There is still a lot of information that I have coming into me. And here's the shocker, since they don't want to show you everything.

Oh, I've been all through their Reddit group that I guess is supposed to be so hard to find, but I found it.

I've seen the have part, my friends, the half ass work that they've done of posting the things that they just want you to see, I'm going to do you one better.

Not only am I going to post the stuff that's here, I'm also going to tell you how you, the listening audience, can get a hold of all of this stuff on your own. See, I don't got to make this stuff up.

If you know the right avenues to do these things, you too can have all of the stuff that I'm going to present to you. That is, with the exception of, of course, text messages and anything audio that you have here would not be in that realm.

But I will tell you this off the bat and out front. I am not here to lie to you. I am not here to falsify documents. So no matter anybody says nothing that I give you will be falsified.

It will all be legitimate it will all come from the source. I said that it did. The only difference you will see to any document is I will redact, if they haven't already, names and phone numbers.

I am not here to give out peoples personal information other than the people that has been directly named in this podcast. I will redact anybody elses name that appears in any of these documents or text messages or any other correspondence.

The only way you will know the name of the person is if they have given me permission to use their name. Before we continue, I have to make this statement because I have to tell you guys that some of the information that I'm getting is very damning.

And in one part of the information that I'm getting, which we will talk all about that going forward in this podcast when the appropriate time is to drop it. It has been told to me that they feel that Ladonna Humphrey is in danger.

If Ladonna Humphrey is in danger, and from the things that they sent me that I read, I can believe it. That means that it would put everybody else in danger, that is, around La Donna Humphrey at that time, myself included.

So I have to take precautions and I have to make this statement. You guys can feel that it's far fetched if you want to, but I have to protect myself. My family, Ladonna has been take hers.

And this is the second time in my whole entire career I've ever had to make this statement. But here it is.

If for any reason, anything mysteriously happens to me, to Ladonna Humphrey, Amy Smith, anyone in her camp, anyone that's involved in this on La Donna Humphrey side, the police, FBI, anyone else that's interested needs to look into the actors of the pretend podcast. We have no other enemies. This is the biggest thing that's ever happened to Ladonna. As far as this goes, I could tell you I have no enemies.

There's nobody out to take me out. There's nobody out to try to kill me. So if I just mysteriously die one day, uh, there's gonna be a lot of questions. So I don't say that facetiously.

The last time I had to make that statement, it actually caused somebody to shut down because that's exactly what they were planning. And again, I can't tell you what that information is right now. You have to trust me. As we go along in this series, you too will find out what it is.

But the information that I have been receiving is damning. And I can promise you this, no one else has it. Okay, so what can you guys look forward to.

So first, I want to answer a statement that was made by Javier Leva, and I'm going to tell you where he's true and where is not. And then I'm going to give him the alternative to that. I'm not going to read his whole statement.

There's only one part of the statement that he released that I'm really interested in, which is he stated that he was going to be releasing new episodes.

Now, this is left about four days ago on his Reddit, uh, that he's gonna be releasing new episodes, that La Donna Humphrey is gonna be at least two of the four new episodes he's gonna drop. Then he mentioned that he's invited her back on the show to share her side of the story. We'll see if she takes me up on that.

Let me read you that whole entire passage because it makes more sense if I do. He says two of these episodes will feature my interview with Donna Humphrey. She claims it was an ambush interview.

I've invited her back on the show to share her side of the story. We'll see if she takes me up on that. Let me clear all that up. We didn't claim we proved that it was an ambush interview.

He even posted the text that he sent as a joke in his Reddit thread somewhere. Because I saw it. I have it. I think La Donna even posted it. It was not a claim. It's the truth.

You're going to hear from somebody that's going to say the exact same thing. Let me tell you why it is. If I called you and said, hey, so and so, man, I really like your work. I want to talk to you about coming on my show.

And they come back with, are we going to talk about the candy that I make? And I said, oh, yeah, I wanna talk about the candy you make. And we're gonna talk. When can we talk?

And I get you on the show and I switch gears and I talk about something, you would not expect it. That is an ambush. That is bush journalism at its best. And that is the ugliest way to get somebody to talk to you. So without a claim is truth.

We have it in writing. So he's also not telling the whole truth. He says that he, he did not do anything. His lawyer did that.

See, I dont take very highly of people using my stuff without permission, especially if youre going to use it for witch hunt. So if you listen to his episodes one and two, he used clips from my podcast. Now, whether it went anywhere or not, that did not matter to me.

All that mattered to me was that he knew im listening and stop using my stuff. I can also tell you that his lawyer and his response was dead wrong.

So let me tell you exactly what fair use is and why he violated that, and why his attorney needs to go back and learn at least this part of entertainment law. If you look up section 107 of the Copyright act, it gives examples of purposes that are favored by fair use.

Criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, including multiple copies for classroom use, scholarship and research used for one of these purposes is nothing automatically fair, and uses for other purposes can be fair. Now here's where he violated fair use. I'll put this down here. You want to read it?

Fair use is for the purposes of teaching somebody or like they said, commentating.

So the moment that he starts making money off of anything that has my voice or my copyright on it, he is now in violation of fair use and it is a copyright strike. So when he put this on pretend plus and he puts this on Patreon, he is in fact reproducing my work.

You cannot reproduce somebodys work without their consent.

Now, according to that same thing, it says, in determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is of fair use, the factors to be considered shall include the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes, the nature of the copyrighted work the amount and sustainability of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole, and the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished should not itself bar a finding of fair use.

If such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors, I want you to pay attention to use is of a commercial nature. This is a commercial nature and it says right here, less likely to be fair. So let's like to be fair use. Commercial purpose.

If a use is for commercial purposes that weighs against fair use. Because Penn State is a nonprofit, users in the university work are generally not commercial.

If you will be using a work in more than one context, including an image in your dissertation and later in a published book, keep in mind that this sub factors impact can change.

Here's the other reason I fear use bad faith, lying, cheating or otherwise acting in bad faith in order to gain access to the work you use makes you use of that work less like to be fair. Let me tell you what all that says that hobby of labor is in violation of fair use.

That I was right when I filed my motion against him that he is using my copyrighted work. I read it to you that there it is, commercial purposes. Now, let me clear this up.

So since I followed that and his attorney wants to say that, then that means nobody can say anything to me when I do the exact same thing, because he made my job a lot easier because there's a lot of clips I'm going to be using. I'll tell you that upfront, just to the point. However, I will be 100% in fair use.

No matter what I use, they can't come after me because I'm not doing it for a commercial work. A commercial work is something that you get paid for. I told you, if you listen to the trailer, there would be no plus service.

There would be no Patreon, there would be no ads.

Everything that has to do with this series, you will get 100% free, which makes everything I do pertaining to his or anybody else's clips or whatever I use, fair use. Now, I say all that to say this part that he says that he's invited Donna again. No, he didn't. His attorney did.

And I don't know if they gave this answer, but, Javier, to you, I'll give you this answer. Why would anybody want to come and sit down with you again when you've done nothing but perpetrate lies this whole time? However, I don't know.

If you try to reach out to Ladonna, I'm going to assume no. And if it is true that you have, you know, lord turn he is, you could have reached out to him.

So here is the way, and the only way that Ladonna will meet with you.

If you're so serious and you want to redo this and you don't think it was a ambush, she will not meet with you unless you are in Arkansas sitting in front of her attorney in his office, I will be there, and Amy Smith will be there. This way, there is no type of drama over what was said, what questions that you had.

You can't cut things in and out the way you want because everybody in that room will be recording everything that is going on. Now, if you are so telling the truth, you should have no objection to this.

If the interviews you say you have coming up is legitimate and you really want her to redo it, quote on your attorney, your attorney says, oh, yeah, if Miss Humphrey feels like it. Okay, well, this is the only way that she feels safe doing that. And to be honest with you, I don't blame her.

So again, audience, I just told them you just heard it for yourself. Ladonna's not declining, but now this has to be on her terms. Nobody's interfering with that. He's free to ask anything that he wants to ask.

He's free to grill her as hard as he wants to. The only difference is this makes this whole thing fair.

And if he decides not to present you the interview the way that it was, we all have proof of that, just like I have proof of a recording of what my interview said. Being a journalist myself, if somebody gave me that opportunity, I would be like, okay, fine, I have nothing to hide. I have nothing that I'm doing.

That's sinister. I will come meet you and I will do this on your terms. We'll see if that happens. All right?

So besides that, here today, I'm going to give you a little taste of what you can expect. I'm going to actually play you the interview that I had with Kaya Penfield.

If you don't know who Kaia Penfield is, Tyre Penfield is the cousin of Deanna Stevenson. The case that people keep referencing to, or at least one person does in the Reddit thread, it was her cousin that was murdered.

And we set out to prove the people that did it is actually the people that did it. We did about, what, seven weeks on that case? So since everybody keeps saying that Donald Trump, all these victims families and all my goodness.

Well, you're gonna hear from one in this, though. She's going to tell you her feelings of this.

She's going to tell you what she thought, or what she thinks I should say, rather, of this whole situation. She's even going to tell you what Anthony Christopher did at crime Con. Furthermore, she does give you also her opinions on Javier Levin.

Now, unlike pretend podcast, I am not going to jump cut. Like I said, you're going to hear the whole interview and the way in which it was recorded, the way an interview should be done.

So you will hear me interacting with Kya. You will hear me ask her the questions. You won't hear me cut her off, though.

You heard a lot of that and pretend and everything that she's saying is directly from her. And if you don't believe it, you can reach out to her.

She is the host of stand our ground podcast where she did her own take on what's going on with her cousin and what happened to her. Also, we're talking about a very special person that appeared in the Reddit thread.

He goes up on the name and no underscore scientist, underscore 843 he puts a post in there called docs bottled Donald Humphrey. First of all, people need to understand what the word docs means, but we'll tell you who that person is and talk about that through here.

So, also, Kaya is here because it has been said on this podcast that basically Ladonna Humphrey is homophobic, that she's outing people that she doesn't like, people that are gay or in the LGBTQIA community. Well, we're going to debunk that.

And this is not the only gay person that you will hear from, because Kaya very well is queer, and she's here to tell you about that. So without further ado, here is the interview with Kaya Penfield, and I'll be back to wrap this up and let you know where we're going from here.

Hey, Kaya. Thank you for joining me today. It's good to see you.

Good to see you. How are you doing?

Pretty good. Pretty good. How's yourself?

I am doing pretty good. Enjoying the weather here, hoping it cools down.

Well, I want to thank you for coming on. I brought you here because I want to talk to you a little bit about Ladonna Humphrey and the things that's going on with her at the moment.

Are you aware of this new podcast that is pretty much slanting her called the Pretend podcast?

Unfortunately, I am, partially because they've been trying to co opt some of my social media from my podcast page to advertise for theirs.

Yeah, they've done that to me, too, so. And they've stolen clips of my stuff.

And, you know, lawyers says that they can do that, so always say, okay, then, fine, if I do that to them, you got nothing to say to me because lawyer says I can do that. So don't. Don't feel bad. They've done that to me.

They've actually stolen clips of extinguish without playing the whole clip that ladonna says certain things about Charlie Ray, Vinesen on their podcast to suit themselves. So we're gonna set all that straight.

Ooh, we love cherry picking.

Right, right. If you go. If you're gonna steal my stuff and you're gonna put it on there, at least use the whole thing.

So I guess my first question I'll ask you about Ladonna is, how did you get to know or come in contact with La Donna, and how did you get to know her?

So I originally met Ladonna through you because I connected with you on podcast matching site when I was trying to get people to cover my cousin's murder case. And you told me that you thought it would be a great fit for the extinguished podcast, which you co host with Ladonna.

And so it was really cool when I met both of you because you were both so invested in the case and so interested in seeking justice. Justice. And I had never had anyone get that involved before and be that supportive.

And since then, I feel like you've both really been by my side and helping me go through this journey. And I got to finally meet La Donna in person in Nashville recently.

And I believe I actually have a photo where you, Ladonna, and your wife Tori, actually took a picture with Ladonna.

Yes.

So the number one question I'll ask you to start with is this. After I met you, we got to know each other, and I, you know, we went through all the, you know, formalities of what we were doing.

Did you know at that time, after we got to know each other, that I and Ladonna were both christians?

I didn't know. I kind of assumed because as a non religious person, I identify as an atheist. I'm used to most people in America being christians.

So I kind of just assumed now.

Sometime after that, after we did discuss that, and then we discussed that not only yourself, but Deanna was also a part of the LGBTQIA community. You guys all identify as queer. Did we treat you any different? Give you any type of vibes like you were yucky to us?

Do we treat you like a normal person?

Oh, God. Not different at all. And it's really easy to tell that, you know, like, you get a.

You get used to the side eye glances or, you know, the people kind of intentionally not calling your wife your wife or, you know, they'll passively aggressively give you some sort of Bible something or other. And I never experienced that from any of y'all.

I even, like, Ladonna asked if she could take my wife and I out to dinner and talked about how sick, how excited she was to meet my wife, which was completely unnecessary because she hasn't been working with my wife. She's just been working with me. So it would have been really easy for her to just be like, I'd like to take you out to dinner, just us, you know?

And it wouldn't have even seemed weird, but she didn't. Yeah, I like, honestly, I think I even realized y'all were christian till after you knew that I was gay.

And I didn't have any cause to, like, look up and be like, are you one of those Christians, christian branches? You know what I mean?

But can we. Do you agree with the statement that when we walked into Deanna's case, we did know that she was a part of the queer community?

Because I think I asked you several questions about that. I think one of them was, did you feel like that your cousin was getting railroaded because she was a part of this community?

So would you agree that we knew walking into this case that we were dealing with a person that was a part of the queer community?

100%.

Can you explain for those of us who really does not know, and I want people to understand this as somebody who is, what is the difference between, you know, being queer versus a lesbian? Do we now look at the term lesbian as something that's derogatory?

So it depends on the person. I think most people don't. For me, it doesn't exactly explain my identity because I'm.

I don't know if I'm teaching you no vocabulary or not, but I'm somewhere on the asexual spectrum, so I kind of identify as gray asexual, which means I don't experience sexual attraction to people I'm not, like, emotionally involved in, and then I would be homo romantic. So romantic attraction towards people of the other gender or not the other gender, same gender. That's what homo means. I'm over here butchering it.

That's cool. But, yeah, so, I mean, there's a lot of terms that just a lot of. We're in a big cultural shift in the queer community.

The biggest change, I think, is the reclamation of the word queer and using it to identify identities that aren't easily described in one word. But there's also something to be said for our elder gay and lesbian ancestors, if you will.

The ones who are still alive, who lived through queer being a derogatory term that was used to really harm them, are not all completely comfortable with the reclamation of the word queer. So I kind of. I use it for me, but I try not to use it for other people that are older, just in case.

Right, right. No, I mean, you identify who you identify. I just want to make sure that I get it and I'm being respectful of that.

Yeah. No, thank you.

When you and Tori met Ladonna, who's your wife, did she act like that she didn't want to touch you, be around you or anything of that nature?

She ran to my wife and hugged her and I was like, excuse me, I should be first.

Now, the reason I'm asking you all these questions is because if you had not heard the pretend podcast that featured Anthony Christopher. If you let him tell it, uh, Ladonna is homophobic. She didn't like him because she was, uh, he was gay.

She doesn't like anyone that is gay or in the LGBTQia community. She supposedly got him fired from a job.

She called him the f word, which I don't use because of the fact that that's about as bad to me as the n word. Um, and she has everybody in the world, and Javier Leva is buying into this, saying that she is doesn't like him because he's gay.

So I'm like, well, that's funny, because somebody that we consider that we got really close throughout doing your cousin's trial to the point to where we pretty much called each other family, and we look at you as that, and we made plans to meet up. It has never mattered to us, or, you know, we don't even discuss it. You know, one time, I think Mila Donna said.

I said, I just want you to know, just so it's not a shock, you know, we are dealing with the case that does deal. At the time, I said, three lesbians. And I said, I said, I haven't asked her yet, but I have a feeling that Kya also is one as well.

And she goes, okay, what does that matter? So I just want you to know this. And so it's not shock if it comes up. I didn't have to ask you because you kind of volunteer that information to me.

I think when we interviewed you the first time, or I did by myself for my show, you had made mention that you had a wife, so I didn't have to ask. I already knew.

Yeah, I try and put it out there really early because there. I've actually turned down two different opportunities to promote my cousin's case or the podcast.

One, because I saw that they were posting a lot of homophobic stuff, and the other because they didn't say anything inherently homophobic, but they said a lot of things that were, you know, when you take the Venn diagram of homophobia and what they were saying, they become circles. And I was like, I just don't feel comfortable having this be a space where my cousin's case is promoted because it's not going to be respected.

And so it's not.

I mean, I really want attention on her case, but it's not a situation where I'm, like, just anybody covered, even if you're going to be horrible and homophobic about it. And I never once had any sort of reservations about y'all covering it.

I remember actually specifically you saying, this is potentially a reason that people are not going to want to cover it. Like, I want you to know, but that's not going to stop me.

Yeah, I mean, I went for. Somebody called me that because I think my first author on my show two years ago was a man named Edward Minsky.

Edward Miske is a gay man, and he didn't hide it. He's out of the closet. He actually had a video that I actually played and put on my channel because I felt that it was funny.

And you can definitely tell, even if he didn't tell you that he was. So we just wanted to get that out there because she's getting raked over the coals and everybody's agreeing.

I'm sitting here going, but a homophobic person. And you can correct me if I'm wrong.

To me, the definition is, if you are homophobic, you want nothing to do with somebody who is in the LGBTQiA community. You don't want to touch them, you don't want to talk to them. You would shun them away.

I would have came, and if Ladonna had a problem, she'd have said, well, you can do that case by yourself, but I'm not going to. We didn't really care, and we still don't care what you are or what you identify as. You guys are friends to us and family.

We cared about getting justice for Deanna, which we still working on that. So I just wanted to hear directly from you what you felt and how you felt that you was treated by Ladonna in those regards and aspects.

Yeah, well, and, I mean, there's definitely different levels, I think, of homophobia, but I would put Ladonna at level zero as an I can't talk. I would put Ladonna at level zero as in no homophobia.

And the idea that she would call someone the f word is so absurd to me because I think she used. I think she said shit in front of me and then immediately apologized for it. I was like, you're fine. You're an adult. We're all adult.

That's the other striking thing is a lot of these words and things, you know, because they're accused of being somebody named Fetishmaster. And in these emails that she's writing, supposedly being her, she's saying a lot of sexual stuff.

I've known Ladonna for two years, and I've said things to her and says, do you know what this means? And there's a sexual term and she has no idea what it meant.

It was funny because the other day she, when I was talking to her, she goes, well, this is going to get balls deep. And her husband starts laughing. And she says, well, he's laughing because he's the one that taught me that term.

Oh, that's so funny.

And she never knew what the term meant, so he had to explain to her what it meant.

So to come to me and say things like, you know, she's saying the f word or she's saying anything like, I want to take your body down and slash or whatever, if you know Ladonna Humphrey, that is just not her.

There's no way. Yeah.

So now that we've cleared that up, there's another instance that I want you to help me clear up.

Oh, gosh. Okay.

They have this Reddit that I guess is public, but it's well hidden because they don't make it public. And I guess they don't think that people like me can find these things. So they have this Reddit group where they're posting things about ladonna.

They posted things about me, and I came across this post.

I'm gonna read you a little bit of it, and then when I'm done, I want you to tell me if you know who this person is, and then I'll tell you why I'm asking this question. You can help me clear something up real quick.

It was like the world's worst game show. Carry on.

So on this Reddit thread, he says his name is no underscore scientist 843. The title of it is docked by Ladonna, which he doesn't know what that means. Word means no.

I think I already know who it.

Is, but it says, I am extremely hesitant to write this because if Ladonna reads this, she will instantly recognize who I am. In January, I started listening to the stand up your ground podcast concerning the case of Deanna Stevenson from Florida.

To me, the case seemed extremely cut and dry. I made my objections to the host viewpoints on Reddit podcast comments and reviews.

Starting in February, the extinguished podcast, hosted by David and Ladonna did six or seven episodes concerning the case.

Since it was basically a repeat of the same information from the stand your ground podcast and my own research, I feel I was very familiar with the case. After the first episode, I wrote a long email asking very specific questions about the case and sharing my observations.

They did a bonus episode where they attempted to address the points I made in the email. They would mention like three of my points at once, address one and ignore the other. That's about as much as I got to read. Who do you think that is?

That is 100% Marty. I think even the number relates. I think he's used that number before, but I could be wrong. But that's 100% Marty. Who?

If anyone has followed my podcast or youre a extinguished podcast, they probably know about Marty.

I actually had other people in the true crime community reach out to me because I went to a group for true crime podcasters, and I was like, y'all, this dude named Marty is sharing my cousin's son's name online. We've been trying to keep it private because he was a minor at the time.

He very likely is sending mail to people on both sides of the murder using the Covid-19 testing system. Can't prove it, can't figure out who else it could have been. So, you know, take that with a grain of salt.

But, uh, yeah, and was kind of harassing both of us.

Um, but I found out someone messaged me and told me that he's well known for that behavior in the true crime community and that he specifically likes to pick on smaller podcasts because he'll get more attention from them. So I was like, this is how you found me.

So I want you to clear that up, because, of course he's running to this group because he's proven my point that anybody who wants this podcast continue is people that has problems with Ladonna for whatever reason. And it's funny, I was on that, too, but he doesn't mention me that much. So since everybody says that, we're just. I'm just trying to defend La Donna.

I just wanted to point that out because if you read this whole entire post, he makes. It seems like he was so nice to us, and I, we just kind of, like, shoved him off, and we never answered any of his questions.

And at one point, which was very laughable. So I'll explain that.

He came up and said my description of the what could have happened was so good and accurate that David actually asked on the podcast, were you there? It had nothing to do with him being accurate. It had to do with that, as you know. Cause he's done the same thing to you.

He was giving us all these crazy scenarios and how this couldn't have happened, and somebody was standing over here and over there. And so I just say, how do you know? Were you there? But according to him, is because he was so accurate.

This dude was far off of accuracy from a lot of things that he was saying.

Yeah, well, the wildest part to me is I actually have the case files, some of them available publicly on my website. I mean, with, you know, with redaction, where it should be. And he hasn't bothered to read them. Cause he kept saying, the autopsy will show this.

The autopsy will show this. And it's like, my guy look at the autopsy. It's on my website.

And then, I mean, you can correct me, because in my last episode of as things, we said this, because he goes on to say that pretty much we were on this whole thing about, you know, she was invited. So he same. He said she was not invited. She was not dealing with Megan. Well, we kind of proved that from the deceased. She actually was invited.

There was something going on with Megan behind the scenes at that point.

So I don't know where he was at for the final episode, but we pretty much say, hey, now that we have these emails from Deanna, we can prove that this is exactly what was going on.

Yeah, she was being invited to be with Megan multiple times.

We don't have in an exact black and white text message that she invited her that night, but we have her inviting her to two or three things before that, as well as a phone call. And the last person to speak to Deanna said that. Deanna said, Megan wants me to come over.

So there you guys that listen to the pretend podcast and drinking the Kool Aid, you hear from me and from Kaya. He spent months harassing her. Like she said, he's released the name of the sun. And the comment that he wrote to me at the last pack goes this.

Facts are not in dispute. Why didn't the family sue on behalf of. And he named the name of the son up until that point just to show you guys how secretive that this was kept.

I'm helping investigate the case. Up until that point, Ladonna nor myself knew what Deanna Sun's name was. We never pried into that. We never asked.

As a matter of fact, when that comment got dropped, I wrote Kaya immediately and said, who is this? And that's when she told me it was the sun. So it was not something. So he's digging for that. So it wasn't something.

She just came and said, oh, by the way, here's Deanna's son's name. So Marty has been a pain in a lot of people's fact size as podcasters.

We're not outing him because I can post a text messages for you or the messages for you that he wrote me an email where he uses the name Marty Bass. I don't know if that's even his real name, but, yeah, I should also.

Add, when he posted his comments on Reddit about the case, he was using, like, different Reddit accounts that were burner accounts. So he would comment and then when I would go to respond, the account would be deleted.

So there you guys have it from not just me, but also from Kaya, who's dealing with this longer than we have. So if you want to believe his Kool Aid, we just clear that up for you.

In closing, Kaya, is there anything that you would like to tell the pretend audience who's probably listening to this, anything about Ladonna? And do you have anything you'd like to say to Ladonna yourself?

Yeah, well, first I wanted to share something about Anthony Christopher.

So when Crimecon Nashville was happening, he shared in one of the unofficial Facebook groups a screenshot showing that Ladonna was going to be there and in the comments was essentially calling for people to harass la Donna and saying that she was a threat, an imminent threat to people's safety while she was at crime. Congested. The admins ended up taking it down. Right, because super inappropriate, but.

So, yeah, that was my major red flag of, this guy has some sort of axe to grind.

Because even if you believe someone has done harm to you in the way that he's saying, she wouldn't be imminent threat to people at a public convention, you know, and also, it's not like crime Con isn't background checking people that they've had there before. That'd be super weird for crime con specifically. But, yeah, no, I would say, you know, Ladonna is many things. She's a Taylor Swift fan.

She's one of the most insanely tenacious women that I've ever met. My wife, when she first heard Ladonna talk, she's like, I never want to be caught in a lie from that woman because she will find the truth.

And I've just been so grateful and honored to know her. Ladonna, if you're listening, I hope that you're reading tiny, beautiful things by sugar or Cheryl Stray. It's phenomenal.

And I hope it will help keep your head up high because Taylor Swift did say it best. I'm not going to quote her because I think you have to pay for that. And I don't think we can afford Taylor Swift. But no, she's an incredible person.

And it makes me really sad that people are trying to elevate themselves by listening to voices with unverified facts about someone who has done so much good.

And rather than trying to verify those trying to find the truth, they're willing to just spread gossip and spread rumors that are not only hurting Ladonna, but they're hurting all of the cases that Ladonna has helped work on.

And, you know, I'm personally really upset about this because there are so many cases that we could be giving attention to that no one's paying attention to, and instead we're going to try and tear down someone who's trying to bring attention to those cases.

And I think that's the epitome of unethical true crime and the epitome of what makes people think that, like, you can't trust podcasters because they're not the real media. And I think it hurts us all, and I hate it. That's all.

So I'll ask you this, because I've said it, and people look at me like I'm just be rating.

Yeah, I know that he's supposedly won some awards or whatever the case is, but I've said many times that in my opinion, Javier Leyva is not a ethical journalist and he does not get things fairly and he's not giving a fair shakes. All of his fans, oh, my gosh, he's the most ethical journalist and he gives everybody a fair shake.

What is your thoughts on, you know, being that you're also in this field, what's your thoughts on him? Do you think that he's being very ethical, or does he make our job harder when we try to reach out to people legitimately?

Well, based on this, and based on having seen some of the evidence that he's completely acknowledging, as well as having seen the text message that he used to lure Ladonna to a conversation with him under false pretenses, which I believe you've covered, that's so sketchy.

I mean, I, like, I don't know, I guess my approach to podcasting and covering my cousin's case has been, everyone gets a pseudonym unless they've specifically said that they're fine with their name being used. I mean, the people who killed my cousin, I apologize to on my podcast because I initially assumed they sent the package.

And when I realized it wasn't them, I had to be upfront and transparent, and I apologized, and that sucked. Nobody wants to do that. But that's what ethical journalism looks like. That's what ethical podcasting looks like.

I did look him up a little bit on Reddit because I'm not familiar with him and I found quite a few Redditors who had been former fans who were really upset at his sensationalism and the way he was really stretching facts. And especially at, I guess at some point, and again, I don't listen to him, so I don't know.

But I saw a Redditor who said that at some point on one of his podcasts, he just dropped. Oh, I've been using an AI voice to fill in spots of my podcast and nobody noticed. Now I'm telling you and coming clean. Haha. Isn't that funny?

None of you noticed? And they were like, that was super gross. And it felt like he was really enjoying getting one over us, one over on us.

And so, yeah, I can't say that I have any interest in listening to him because I don't like listening to people who don't have good moral values.

And just so is out there. So everybody says, oh, David's baking this up, but he doesn't really have everything.

Is it in fact true that all of the evidence that I have and that she sent Javier Leyva, you also have seen and have copies of.

Yes, I have seen them and I have copies of.

And I also thought it was really kind because the reason that I have them, just so people know, is Ladonna wanted me to know, hey, I just spent so much time on your cousin's case, and I've been wanting to continue working on it. I want you to know who I am. Someone's coming out and slandering my name, and I want to show you everything and be completely transparent with you.

Not all of it do, I think, necessarily painted her in a great light, because we're all flawed, we're all human beings. But she sent that, too, not just the stuff that made her look good.

So I guess the last question I have, because since Ladonna and I have touched you in different ways, no one else could, we've been a part of your family.

We spent the better part of over three months, because what people don't understand in podcasting is just because something went seven weeks doesn't mean it only took us seven weeks.

We have been doing a lot of digging and who to write, and we're still working on that case because our goal is still to this day to attempt to get Deanna's case overturned. Do you and your family still feel comfortable with Ladonna and I continually working on your, your cousin's case?

Absolutely. The thought of having anyone else, like, take the lead on it kind of makes me feel a little bit sick. I really struggle with the fact. I don't know.

I guess so, yes, to answer your question.

But as I think about it, it just makes me upset because there's so much pain that I experienced when I saw people slandering my cousin on the Internet. And so I hate that. Ladonna is now becoming intimately familiar with.

That experience and we're doing everything we can here to correct that. You have been a big part of that. And like I pointed out, we're not holding anything back. We're posting everything so people can see it.

They've posted the tidbits of what they want people to see, to spin their narrative. And being La Donna's partner, it gets to me, too. I wake up pissed about it every day.

Yeah.

And it's because you're taking a good person regularly through the calls and these are things that is career ending. And she spent so much time trying to give back to people.

And it's a shame that because people are jealous and they're greedy and they didn't get to the level of success that she's at that they got. They feel like they have to come and take her down with them.

Yeah.

I would also just remind any listeners, if somebody only wants to give you a highly controlled version of a narrative and they're not willing to share with you all of the evidence the way David and Ladonna are, that's a red flag. And additionally, the absence of green flags is a red flag.

Well, Kaya, I thank you for coming to the show today. I'm sure we'd be talking really soon. So I have. You have a great night.

Thank you. You as well.

All right, so that was Kai Penfield. That's one of the many interviews that I'm going to have that's coming up that you're going to hear.

I want you to keep in mind, she doesn't know Anthony Christopher from Adam. There are screenshots of what she said. As far as him being at crime Con, it's pretty much like Ladonna was being stalked there.

She made a post that said that she was in Nashville and then these things started happening in real time because I was also getting messaged about them. So that's the truth of that situation.