Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: The Ladies Of Oasis

Oasis of Northwest Arkansas.

To some, this is a place of hope, a place of love, a place where those who find themselves in addiction can come to get help and guidance and to put their lives back on track.

For others, it's a target because of jealousy, hate, and revenge.

Because the person that just so happens to be the director is someone that you had issues with in the past for calling out your crimes.

Yet through all of the accusations, through all of the lies, the one thing that these people have never done is show up at Oasis and talk to the genuine articles.

What happens when you get from behind your microphone and you go and talk to the actual people, people that live at Oasis and that benefits from this program?

Well, I got the most powerful episode that I've ever shot in my entire career.

This is We Are Not Afraid, the podcast that exposes the truth among all the lies.

I am your host, David McClam.

You are listening to the Witch Hunt of LaDonna Humphrey, episode 17, the Ladies of Oasis.

What's going on, everybody?

Welcome to another episode of We Are Not Afraid.

All right, we're gonna jump into it.

We're going right down the last five episode pass that I promised you that we would.

Number two on that list was the interview that I conducted with the ladies of Oasis.

Now, before we get into this interview, here's a few things I want to tell you off the bat.

The first one is no one knew I was coming other than the managers.

Now, I know I covered this in last episode, but I want to reiterate that again.

These ladies did not know I was coming.

They did not know me.

I did not know them.

We have never laid eyes on each other up until this point.

If you listen hard enough, I will ask them that question and they will tell you.

Matter of fact, one says didn't even know what a podcast was until all of this.

The number two thing that I want to make you aware of is the position of which I went in on.

We did not believe that everybody knew about the podcast, so I wanted to go in.

Well, it wasn't a lie.

Exactly who I am.

I'm a journalist, I'm a podcaster, and I'm here to talk to them about Oasis.

All of that's true.

The only thing I did not mention is pretend podcast.

Javier Lever and Anthony Christopher.

I think at some point I said something like, one of them lives close to here, but I don't believe I mentioned names.

One lady, though, did know of the podcast, so I wanted to let you guys know.

Didn't dupe Anybody I asked the exact same questions I would have asked.

We just wanted to go in because of those who didn't know the podcast.

We didn't want to confuse them or anything of that nature.

So that's what I went into.

3.

You can tell that I went in with this interview raw.

So forgive the audio.

You will hear sniffling, you will probably hear some coughing.

You may hear some side talk because somebody came into the room.

I did not edit any of that out and did.

The one thing that those of us who are editors and producers is our biggest pet peeve, which is to have extra noise in the background.

We be trying to cut out sniffles and coughs and all that.

But I wanted you, the audience to know that I went into this raw.

No professional equipment, didn't edit it.

Professional.

The only thing I did to this file was I boosted the audio because some of it was low.

That's it.

So you have the raw interview as it was recorded.

You will also be able to tell that because my voice is the loudest, sorry, I'm loud, but because it was on the table, my voice carries.

That room does echo.

So you will probably hear me better than anyone else because of the way my voice projects.

And lastly, these are the women's true feelings.

You hear me say this.

I'm gonna say this to you now.

Here you'll hear it again.

That the one thing that I wish that I could have captured but I couldn't because this was audio.

My wife was not with me, so I was not prepared to shoot video is the emotion that was behind each one of these women.

But I believe if you listen to it, you will hear it for yourself.

And I'm gonna say this now and I'll say this at the end.

This probably should have been my last episode.

I don't think that there's anything else I really needed to do to defend ladonna Humphrey.

After you hear this, those people that's going to believe it is still going to.

I was a kiddo said in the intro, this has to be one, if not the most powerful episode that I've shot in my entire almost nine year career.

And understand, folks, where I've been in my podcast journey.

I've had some doozy of interviews.

I've interviewed people that'll make you want to cry.

And out of all of that, this has to be one, if not the most powerful interview I've ever recorded.

At the very end, I will come back and I'm going to reiterate some things that I think should stand out from the interview.

But I want you to listen.

Once you listen to everything that is there, I want you to think about all the lies that Javier Lee Christopher has told you over the last past almost year.

And I want you to remember this one fact before we get into it.

Out of all the lies, out of all the deceit, out of all the BS they spewed, neither one of them.

And Anthony Christopher is less over an hour away from this place, bothered to get off their butt, to go into this room and to speak to these ladies like I did.

This interview is a little over one hour.

This will be a long episode, but it is important that you hear everything in its entirety.

So without further ado, here is the interview with the ladies of Oasis of Northwest Arkansas.

So I'll just give a brief introduction.

I'm David McClam.

I'm a journalist.

I'm also a podcaster.

I'm here to do a report on Oasis.

I've come a very long way.

21 1/2 hours, 1500 miles.

I live in California, so I've come here just for this purpose.

Heard a lot about Oasis, the women that it has saved.

So.

And when I publish the.

It'll probably be in voice.

So when I do publish it, ladonna will be sure to let you know.

You guys can hear it.

I have talked to Anita.

I have interviewed her, and her interview is live at this point.

So I'm gonna talk to some of you ladies to see how you guys feel about not only the house, but the staff, including ladonna as director, and how you feel that you're being treated here.

If you feel comfortable giving your name, just don't give any last names and we'll go from there.

So whoever wants to start, what does.

This program mean to you guys?

This comfort means in the beginning.

I mean, it's.

It began my life over here.

Oh, I.

I found.

I've heard.

I heard about Oasis through another.

Through a friend of mine who has.

Who was a graduate and.

But never really.

I was in my addiction and I really didn't think too much about it until I found myself in jail this.

This past October, and I had hit my very rock bottom.

And I asked God to order my steps because I didn't know where to go.

I didn't know what to do.

I had.

I had nowhere to go when I got out of jail.

I had no car, had no money.

I had.

I mean, literally, I had.

I was at my very lowest point, and I got.

I was in.

I got called out Unexpectedly.

And I was a peer support with another program that I'm in.

They picked me up and she.

I said, where are we going?

And I was like, I've never been so happy to see a complete, total.

Stranger in my entire life.

And she brought me here.

And I have been this for the first time since 2017.

This is the longest that I've stayed sober.

I've just celebrated six months.

And I know that I wouldn't be here if it weren't for Ladonna having this program available to us and the structure and the daily routines and all the things.

All the things that we do.

I wouldn't be here.

And I know that had I went back out, I very well could not.

Would have not made it back.

So, I mean, this is.

This program literally means life and death with me.

Anyone else?

I'm Brenda.

I've only been here for.

I want to say going in three weeks now.

And as soon as I came to the doors, they were so respectful.

They welcomed me with open arms.

Given from where I came from, I call this home.

I couldn't ask for better staff or anything.

So I feel very good being here.

My name is Alicia.

I've been here actually today is two months I've been here.

I got accepted December 26th and drug court referred me here.

And they've been trying to get me to come here for over a year.

I just thought I could do it on my own.

And I finally got accepted.

They had a bed open here.

And I hear a lot about.

I've never been to a sober living house.

I've.

I really didn't know much about it, but I heard in drug court alone about other sober living houses.

And it's.

It's a lot of.

It's.

The staff don't care is care or they're messy or they don't give as much instruction as.

As I get here.

Like every single manager I've met here, they.

I can generally feel that they love me and they want me to succeed.

And I am.

I'm new in recovery, so how can I say my brain is growing.

You know, when you first start using drugs, your brain stops.

And I was very young, so I make.

I've made quite a bit mistakes here and they.

They haven't gave up on me.

Like.

Like a.

Like.

Like other people have, like.

And they push me to do better.

And the fact that I can have my kids here either permanently or they come on the weekends is amazing to me because I get a chance to bond with my kids around nothing but positive people and women who are going through the same thing as me and my kids automatically feel comfortable here.

Like, we can lay on the couch and watch movies on the weekends.

And I, I don't have to be afraid for them to talk to anybody in this house, in both houses, on both campuses, because they feel comfortable.

And, and it's like a family here.

Like, this is my family.

And like I told my dad, like, every time I'm out, I'm like, I'm ready to go home.

You know, I'm.

It's not that I'm ready to go back to where I'm living.

I'm ready to go home.

And it's amazing here.

I've, I've never experienced nothing like it.

And I, like Tara said, ask me because I was planning stuff for the summer.

And so she was like, she thinks I'm going to be a lifer.

And that's another amazing thing.

Like, it's only a 12 month program, but Ladonna allows you to stay here as long as you need.

You know, as long as you're abiding by the rules and succeed, well, just, you know, doing the right thing, you can stay here as long as you want.

And that's also amazing because a lot of places don't do that.

Like, it makes you feel at home here.

So I'm glad to be here.

Anyone else?

My name's Jessica.

This is actually my second round here.

I am a previous graduate.

This program worked wonders in my life the first time I left and I made some bad choices and it almost cost me my life.

And I didn't know who to call.

I was five and a half hours away.

But something popped into my head and said, call ladonna.

She answered after the second ring and I was, and I told her I was like, I'm scared.

I want to come home.

I was on the next trip.

Within four hours I was back here.

I ended up doing 30 days in county and I was so scared with my probation, I had to go do 30 days.

And I was so scared that I was going to lose my vent.

I mean, I haven't even stepped on campus.

And so I got ahold of her through jail mail and I asked her if she would save my bed.

Ladonna gives a lot of grace to people and she's very understanding.

And I mean, when I came back this time, I mean, it was a complete different environment.

It was, I had seen the changes and the positive progressions that has happened here.

And it's like, like at first I was court ordered here, and then they lifted my court order, and it's like, I don't have to be here.

I choose to be here because everybody here has a positive effect on my life.

Like, each person here teaches me different things daily.

And the staff here.

I'm going to start crying.

The staff here literally take their time.

Yeah.

Doesn't matter how busy they are at the end of the day or at the beginning of the day, they make sure each person.

Person here is okay and that we have what we need.

And if we need someone to talk to, they're there.

They set aside time for each person.

And I mean, it's just.

It's a wonderful program, and I'd probably do it three or four times if I had to.

It's great.

Or you can be a lifer.

Just ask him hard questions.

Well, here's a couple questions I should have asked you far I started.

You guys have never seen me before.

Correct.

Did any of you know that I was going to show up here tonight?

No.

So this is totally 100% impromptu.

I just showed up.

And these are your true and honest feelings, right?

Absolutely.

That's important to establish because I don't want people to come and say, well, he set that up.

So no one knew I was coming here tonight.

So that's why I want to make that point.

Let's talk about the house.

There are some things that I have heard that I want to clear up.

One of them is, how many of you guys pay rent here?

Has there any been a time that any one of you has not been able to pay rent, and you were able to not pay rent until you got back on your feet?

So it's three of you.

Can anybody tell me that story?

I will.

When I first got here, me being a felon, I was struggling to get a job.

So I reached out to Ladonna via email, let her know, rent's coming up.

I can't pay it.

She either will allow us to have a week or so or however long until we get the job to be able to catch up our rent.

And then there's other times where we can actually, like, we can work at concerts to do community service in place of our rent at times if we still haven't been able to obtain a job because of our background.

So me, there's never been a time where she said, oh, if you can't pay rent, you're going to get dismissed or anything like that.

She's.

She works with us.

On top of that.

Is there a handbook here of Rules?

Yes, absolutely.

With this handbook of rules.

Is this handbook expected to be followed by every woman this year?

Absolutely.

What happens if the rule boat is broken?

You get a ride up?

I mean, depends on what?

Depends.

It depends on the situation and severity.

Like, sometimes it's a verbal warning.

Second round is a written third, extra community service, things like that.

It's nothing here.

That's outrageous.

There's no outrageous punishment.

Or, you know, well, if you don't.

If you don't stay in line, then we're going to boot you out.

It's.

It's redirection, and it's positive.

It's a positive.

Positive reinforcement.

That's what I was.

So there is organization here?

Yes, and it's done with love and care, not aggression and disrespect.

Have you ever seen anybody be dismissed from the program because of breaking the rulebook?

Yes.

I've only been here for three weeks.

I was.

I was actually dismissed because, I mean, I was getting several.

I was breaking several rules and just couldn't get right, and I was dismissed, but it wasn't.

Not even three hours.

It talked with.

Over with staff, and ladonna welcomed me back, and I was so grateful.

So you broke many rules.

Dismissed.

Three hours later, you call ladonna, say, I want to come back.

And she lets you come back?

Yeah.

Any size, any breaths, any.

Well, I mean, come back.

I mean, no, it was.

I mean, I.

I.

No more break.

Messing up, you know, like, it's just.

It's over.

I can't explain it.

I'm such a bad talker.

But she gives chances.

I mean, grace, a lot of.

She's gave me so much grace that I can't.

I can't even thank her enough.

Like, really, she's gave me a lot of grace, and I'm.

I'm court ordered here through drug court.

And I mean, she gives me, and she gave me personally enough chances where I know better.

I'm 35 years old.

You know what I'm saying?

And.

But she sees me trying, and Anita sees me try, and she's advocated for me twice in the courts, and it means a lot because, I mean, I can't advocate for myself right now.

And as long as they know that I'm trying and I am, that they're here for me.

So, I mean, she's really saved my life.

Not only accepted me into the program, but advocating for me in the courts when I messed up.

Now I'm gonna have questions about Madonna specifically.

So I'm just trying to get everything out She's a big catalyst.

So in my mind, I'm going through all the questions or all of the things that I've seen that somebody's trying to come against this place at which I've seen none of that.

Just walking in here.

Yeah.

Okay.

One of them is that this place is very unclean.

You guys didn't know that I was coming.

That was purposely done so that nobody can say.

Well, they knew he was coming.

So we hurried up.

They hurried up to include clean the house.

Right.

So this everybody knows in full transparency.

I left Monday night.

I arrived here Tuesday.

So I've been here almost the whole day.

Okay.

I did tell Ladonna it's very important that if I had to do this, nobody could know that I was coming.

I said, you got to keep my arrival as quiet as possible, and I'm just gonna show up.

Yeah.

Very clean that I've seen.

So let's get this other one out the way.

Here's another accusation.

Have you guys do.

Now, is there any men stashed here.

Or have you ever seen any men.

Living in this facility?

Anytime there is a man that is required to be on campus, the first thing, I mean, you hit the door crack.

It's like man on deck.

Yeah.

The only man I've ever seen here was a staff member.

And he comes on usually on Saturdays to just really check the.

What does he do?

House checks.

House checks.

Make sure everything's in order and everything's getting done.

But he's always accompanied by one of.

The on campus staff.

When he does any kind of walk.

And he'll scream, man coming downstairs.

Man in the room.

I did not know that.

Yeah.

I mean, from the time the door cracks, you know, there's a man on.

Funny.

I mean, she lets men come on campus for like when we have a Christmas gathering or Thanksgiving gathering or a graduation.

She allows.

Like, my dad came on campus for my graduation and stuff like that.

Do any of you feel overcrowded here?

No.

What is the most women at one time that's locked this house?

I'm not.

I think we're full now.

We have like two beds available right now.

We.

We have.

We're like really full now, but guess I was here all by myself all day today and I felt really alone.

I'm serious.

It was like me and one other girl, but they were in and out, they had to go to a meeting stuff.

But I was here all by myself all day and I couldn't wait for 5:00 to go.

Morning beds here as Possible though, because we want to help as many people as possible.

That's right.

Yeah.

But we have not seen 40 or 50 or 30.

Right.

So that's kind of the allegation, right, that there's 50 women that's here at one given time.

Which if you actually do the math, your head, you're like, that's a lot of lemon.

From my count, if I did it right, I count about 14 or more than 15.

There's two beds here that is empty, that I was told by the management staff which is suitable for a house of this size, which I think is also legal.

Right.

So we, we've killed that.

That's not all that running around.

And if you guys have children.

So without this program, do you guys feel like you still have your kids?

Any kids was taken away before Oasis?

Well, my kids were taken away before the first time I was here back in.

I got here 2020 was the first time and I completed drug court.

If it wasn't for Ladonna, I would have even had visitation during my drug court time while here with my children.

Ladonna advocates for me very well.

I planned that in front of the judge, like she letters of recommendation.

The judge let me have visitation with my kids and then shortly after graduating, they actually terminated my mom's guardianship on my boys.

So I actually have full custody of my boys right now.

It's just I messed up and they're back with my mom again.

But I mean, I've been talking with Ladonna.

It was more so when I first got got here because I was more goal oriented on wanting my kids instead of focusing on myself.

At first I was doing all the outer things, wanting all the outer things before I fixed me.

And when I first got here, she told me she'd help me get them back again.

And I mean I get to see them every Saturday now.

Like it's.

They don't come here because my mom's not comfortable with it, but they're allowed to.

Like, like I can have them here.

I can go see them.

It's not, it's never an issue.

Well.

I got arrested in November of 23.

When I got arrested, DHS took my kids.

So I had an open DHS case and I never had never been away from, you know, my kids.

But yeah, I.

If it wasn't for her in this program, I wouldn't have my kids right now.

My DHS case got closed in August of last year and now I get.

Them every other weekend.

My kids are with my parents.

Although, well, There was an open DHS case and I, My parents are the guardians and I have to have stability in order to get full custody back, which I, if that makes sense.

Like, I don't have.

I, I don't, I didn't lose my custody.

I just, they, they're over them until I get stable, like job, car and house.

But if, if it wasn't for me being here.

My kids are older, they're 10, 12 and 16, and they want to come with me.

Like, they, I hurt them a lot going to jail and stuff, so they wanted, they, if I wasn't here, they had to come check it out and now they actually want to come spend weekends with me.

So.

Yeah, I have my daughter here full time.

She's with her dad right now because he's getting right back on the road.

He works in the pipeline, but she lives here full time with me.

I do know babies are active because you guys have a baby game.

That's for us.

I'm just playing.

So another big one is.

Does anyone here feel like that Oasis is stealing your money or embezzling it?

Oh, my gosh.

So if you pay your rent, you know that's where your rent is going, right?

You don't have any problem with that?

So back to, like, the rent.

I've actually Drug Court.

Drug Court paid my first two weeks here.

And then that gives you enough time to get a job here.

But I've actually, I have two rent credits.

One was just for.

For being honest about some dishes that weren't put away.

And like, she, so she definitely, you know, cares.

And I, I, I, I.

No, I don't feel like my money's being stolen.

Right.

How do you guys usually make payments for your rent here?

Cash App is what I use.

Oasis program.

Oasis NWA it goes strictly to Oasis.

At any time, have La Donna Humphrey herself or any of her staff members ask you to pay her directly in cash.

They actually don't allow that.

Has she ever asked you to deposit money directly into her own personal cash app?

No.

She has a personal account.

Why do you have one now?

I know I'm not the only one.

That turned out to be here.

Has DHS ever been here?

Have you guys ever seen anybody else has popped in for a quick inspection without you guys knowing that?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Drug Court, pos, dhs.

When that first podcast had come out or whatever, we had a lot of random visits.

My, my PO or one of the POs from Benton County Drug Court called me and was asking a lot of questions.

Yeah.

And I didn't know about it until like 20 minutes before they were supposed to come.

And I had to hurry up and get here and give them a tour.

See that this goes more right into the credibility of the things that I have.

Her.

First thing, I'll tell you guys, everything I've heard or read.

I did not 100 believe it.

Don't believe any of it.

That's why I'm here, okay?

Because as she mentioned, there's people that's writing things that has not even.

They call themselves journalists, but they haven't even taken the opportunity to show up here.

A couple of them, or at least one of them, doesn't even live far from here.

And so as I continuously to deal with this and see some of the things that was written, my thought was, yes, I'm a journalist.

What does journalists do?

They go to the heart of the problem.

They talk to the people that's around that particular situation.

Also, you can call me a little biased.

I'm not a drug addict, but I do.

I did suffer abuse.

I was domestic.

Violently abuse by my dad, my mother.

It was the grace of God that she.

She didn't do drugs or that I didn't either.

I think that all of us, whether it's drugs or abuse, we're kind of all in the same boat, right?

We need somebody to help us.

We need a home to stay in.

We need somebody to give us grace.

Even though it's not drugs.

Getting beat profusely and seeing the things that I've seen as a man, right.

That strikes the way that I'm raised, that strikes the way that I feel, that strikes my relationship with my wife, my daughters, all women.

And I'm probably one of the few men that, you know that tells you this, because I've told this story several different times publicly on other people's podcasts as well.

So that's why I'm here, and that's why I asked that question.

So I think we pretty much obliterated everything that I've read about this place being unclean.

I asked this one.

I didn't get this.

Do you guys feel like that you have enough to eat here?

Absolutely.

Too much.

She's not required to provide us food.

We have donations in the garage, though, that are provided to us.

We need them.

And also, like Anita will cook and offer to everybody at the house or on campus.

She has bought several people groceries.

Yeah, she's personally bought me groceries when.

When I first came here.

Yeah.

So let's talk about the evil being known as Ladonna.

Humphrey.

Oh, wow.

This is what's being said, and I'll give you guys full transparency.

I've known ladonna almost three years.

Three years in April.

I interviewed her three years ago when her first book, Kill Melissa Wick, came out.

I'm what they call an ARC reader, so that's an advanced reader's copy.

I started with a.

With a service that will give me these books so that I could have authors to interview.

And that's when I found her book.

So I wrote her because the fact that reading her book and looking into her, I'm like, she's gonna tell me, no, she's this big author.

She's not gonna come on my show.

So I reached out to her through social media, introduced myself to the name of my podcast.

I would love to have you as a guest.

He was one of the.

When I started my new show, which is true, talking about so many people, my daughter and I had did a podcast together for almost eight years, and then she flaked and went somewhere else.

And I was trying to come up with another niche, and I said, well, if she comes on the show, maybe I have something good.

She says, yes.

So I talked to O'Donnell for about 30 minutes before we even did one lick of an interview.

We clicked that quick, and at the end, we said, we're going to do some more work together.

We just didn't know it would be this.

Yeah.

So when all of this stuff started coming down, knowing ladonna Humphrey, the person, I said that I have to do something about it.

So that's why I'm here.

So here's the things that I'm hearing about ladonna as a director.

Do you guys feel that she's strict but fair?

Absolutely, yes.

Has she ever abused any of you?

No.

No.

Have you witnessed her abusing anyone?

No, sir.

Harsh language, yelling, cussing, screaming F words.

Now, a number of you.

I said, I got a couple of you that you guys have your second stint of program left.

Came back, that reception was open arm.

She didn't give you no stipulation.

She just said, we'll come get you.

Oh, I've been here before as well, and left.

And she kept a bed for me for, like, seven months.

I came here, I was completely homeless, 33 weeks pregnant, living in the bushes behind the 8th street motel.

And DHS had reached out to her, and she said that she had a bed.

This was on a Monday.

She said she had a bed for me on a Thursday.

So the DHS lady went onto Facebook Trying to get help to get me a motel room until I could get here on Thursday.

And she went ahead and opened up a bed for me almost instantly, and I've been here almost two years since.

Has she ever given anything out of her pocket?

Yeah.

Yes, absolutely.

She actually.

When I.

This, this time around, I was five hours away in Leola.

My car had broken down or had gotten repoed.

I had no way back.

All my stuff was in a storage building at my ex husband's previous wife's house.

And she actually helped me with funds to be able to get myself and my stuff back here into a safe environment.

You want to see something?

I just.

I'm new here, and there's a deposit and a weekly fee that we have to pay to be here.

And I was discharged from another program for voicing my opinion about issues that need to be fixed at another site over anything else.

And I was welcomed and accepted here.

There was no mention of any money.

And they have worked with me.

They know that I'm.

I'm getting ready to come into some money that, that some back pay and everything that I'm going to be able to pay my deposit and my fees.

And they not once have asked me for anything.

They've pay my transportation fees to get rides back and forth to drug court.

And they're really working with me, and I'm just so grateful that they've been here.

I.

I also.

I didn't want to say it, but I.

I also just accidentally went to jail for two weeks.

And Latona hold up my bed for me.

You know, she didn't have to do that.

There's a lot of women that need a bed and.

But she held it for me.

And I mean, she's an amazing woman.

This is absurd that people say stuff like that about her.

Now, a number of you have said that this is like your family.

Yeah.

Donna's like the mother figure here.

Yeah.

She's not getting rid of us.

Ain't no way.

So if any of you were in trouble, will ladonna be the first person you would tell somebody to call?

Absolutely.

She's actually my emergency contact on a lot of things.

She's who I called when I went to jail.

My own mother's not Madonna's.

My emergency contact.

Do you think that she fights with you guys?

Your noises?

Yes.

Yes.

So overall, as just a general director now, I think you said you've been in another home before.

The house like this county at drunk.

Court, Summer living home.

Okay.

For those of you that's Been in some other.

Other places with Donna being the director.

I know you guys know what that means, but I've actually witnessed that today.

I told her to carry on business as usual.

When I'm here, my wife and my kids are here.

I said, I want you to carry on.

And she did.

She was on phone calls on computers for about three full hours.

Right.

I mean, there was call after call after call after call.

Some women that needed to come here.

Right.

Some women that said, I don't got money to pay.

I actually saw a text mess today where somebody did not.

Yeah.

Have that money to come.

And Madonna said, don't worry about that for this week.

Yes.

So as just a general director running this house and the other house, how do you guys feel about her?

She gave her 10.

I think she does it because she cares.

She's there.

She's devoted to.

To this place.

Not for.

Not for, like.

Not for as like her more or less her career, but because she genuinely cares on what happens to us women and getting better out of our sickness.

Not because, like her career wise, like your career choice, but you honestly do it.

You put in more hours than anything.

She texts us after hours.

She's.

She's on the same.

We have a feed a thingy, a house thread thread.

And she's on it more than some.

Some other managers.

You know, she's replying back daily.

And I think she does it out of the kindness of her heart.

She does it on passion.

Yeah.

For all of us.

I think whenever we succeed, that makes her feel successful.

It's not necessarily the.

The name or the title of director.

It's seeing all of us thrive and.

And complete our recovery and do for our children, for ourselves and for our families.

Now, do you guys know that O'Donnell, Humphrey and I, we actually do a podcast together called Extinguish.

Do you guys even know that?

No.

No.

I didn't even know what a podcast was to y.

So I only bring that up because I'm gonna tell you next.

But yes.

So Don and I have about a part of year, we've done a podcast called Extinguish.

It deals with the missing and murder women.

Okay.

Missing and murdered.

So cold cases that has not been solved that we want to bring attention to that hopefully get them solved.

I bring that up because here's my next question.

I'll tell you where that was going.

Do you feel like that you guys were in trouble, say, 2:00am in the morning, that Odonna would drop anything that she had to do to come Rescue you?

Yes, I am a witness to that.

I.

I think it was about 4 or 5 o'clock in the morning when I sent you that first text thing.

I was scared five hours away.

My soon I'll be divorced on March 10th.

She's actually.

I actually messaged her when I got to court next I was scared to death because I don't want even show up is dangerous.

And I asked her to go with me and she's actually taking time out of her day to go with me on my court date.

For the worst, I think it was like 4 or 5 o'clock in the morning when I messaged her and I told her, I said, I'm scared.

Next thing I knew, she was calling me asking me if I was okay.

And I had to get away from him cuz he had beat me.

And I was actually getting ready to head to the hospital and I told her what was going on and she's like, well, we're getting you out of there as soon as possible.

And it wasn't 2 o'clock the next afternoon.

That afternoon I was on my way back here.

She Laona takes us to the doctors and stuff too.

When other transports can't take it, she comes.

I've seen her come here twice and take one of us to where we had to go.

Now the reason I bring up Extinguished is because since you guys just heard of our podcast, Podcast is a show.

Consistency is a must, right?

So we drop episodes every Monday.

There's sometime between my schedules and hers that we can't get together and do what we call batch record, which will record four, five, six episodes to be ahead because we're both very busy.

So I can tell you that there has been times where I've gotten a text message saying, I'm sorry, I can't record tonight, we just have to be late.

I have a lady I have to go and attend to.

Okay.

To be part of LA Donald Humphrey, you have to kind of accept that part of her.

She's never had a problem with me with that.

So my answer is good luck.

Okay, let me know how it turns out.

So there has been a number of times, and I don't look at it as suffering, I look at it says who she is, right?

Right.

When she brought this up and we brought up Distinguished and we want to do this, she's actually building a national TV show because of that podcast.

Okay?

So if you go and look at the Superbike Murders, that's the first one that we did.

She actually was a part of a TV show that dealt with that, okay?

But she would have canceled that if any one of you or any other one was in trouble.

So that's why I brought up Extinguish.

If you haven't listened to it, listen to it.

She does a great job.

She's fabulous.

So I think that's about.

Because I'm.

I'm nailing everything, right?

So just from you guys answers, you guys just killed numbers of questions because that's what it was.

She was abusive.

She takes money.

She doesn't give anything of her own self.

This is just something for her and her management friends and the board members to get rich.

Now, when I read that, I laughed, right?

Because I've been in La Donna's house now for the last day, okay?

Not gonna say that she's poor, but she's not.

She's like us.

She lives in a very modest house.

She's got, what, six people floating around.

There at all times?

Then you add my four.

So it's really cold right now.

So I'm.

I pulled up and I'm like, so where's the golden gates?

Where's the mansion?

Where's the bins?

You know, if you're getting all this money, where's the Rolls Royce, right?

None of that happens.

The one thing that I wish I could capture here tonight, that I can't, because it's voice.

Now, I'm gonna do my very best to tell my audience what I've seen.

I've seen emotion here.

I've seen tears.

None of this, what you guys are telling me, could be faked.

And this is what I'm dispelling.

Just because all these women says anything, because the fact that Ladonna's whipping them, so they're afraid that if Ladonna doesn't.

Just to tell you, when I interviewed Anita, the one question I asked her is, if you ever saw Ladonna abuse anyone, or if you thought that she did, would she be here?

And her answer was, equivalently, no, she would leave.

And she said the same thing you said.

I'm here because I want to be here.

I have a house I can go to, but I choose to be here.

And I would turn Ladon again.

I did say that myself.

I have about four more questions.

These.

These are.

These are the stuff.

This would be the tough ones.

One I just had because of what I witnessed today.

Do you guys feel like Ladonna and Oasis would take in someone that maybe somebody else won't take?

Yes.

Okay.

I witnessed that myself today.

It always made me Cry because I am black, as you can tell.

And I guess a young lady who is black has gotten cast away because of the colorful skin.

Addiction has no color.

Right.

Whether you're white, black, brown, yellow, it affects all of them the same.

So I do heard you say that this is a matter of life and death.

So does anyone here, besides this young lady feel like that they would be dead if Oasis did not exist?

Oh, I definitely would be.

I definitely.

Yes.

If ladonna Humphrey was no longer the director here.

Say, whatever the case, that she gets fired, retires, leaves.

Do you feel like Oasis as a program would change?

Yes.

Yes.

She's the heart of this program.

Literally the heart.

Like, she has so much care and support for these, all of us ladies.

Like, I feel like it would drastically change.

So what do you think would happen, known to yourselves, because a number of you've had sobriety for a while, but to other women, that is struggling right now, that is active, addictive.

I believe that once you're an addict, you're always an addict.

You're just taking steps day by day to stay clean.

If the doors shutter tomorrow on Oasis, and they said you guys all have to go, what do you think the effect would be on yourself as well as other women that need to help?

Yeah.

Be devastating.

You don't understand how many of these people don't have anybody else.

No, I flat out understand that.

I just want to say that my mother has my children, but when I graduated drug court, the judge asked me because I said my mom was going to be there.

And when I graduated, he's like, well, where's your mother?

I was like, ladonna's dealing with other recovering women right now.

I consider ladonna more of a mother to me because she has taught me how to be a woman and how to love myself again more than my own mother.

Like, I have very little contact with her.

I confided her more than anything because she can be trusted.

So I'm not gonna speak for the room I know for myself.

I guess if the doors were to shut, I don't have anywhere that I can go locally.

You know, I have a mom down in Little Rock.

My dad's in Texas, so finding a place wouldn't be the problem.

The problem for me is I'm losing that support system.

Yes.

And I'm losing.

I'm losing a lot of really close friends.

And that would be.

That's the detrimental part to me is not physically having somewhere to go.

So I can figure that part out.

You know, what I mean, like, I can find the roof over my head.

I can't find this support system anywhere else because it's hard for me to open up to people.

You know, I'm socially awkward, I have social anxiety, and I know these girls.

And so that's.

That would be the killer for me.

It's just, I lose.

I lose my support system.

I was gonna say, you know, if the doors were closed tomorrow, in the time that I've been here, which is not very long at all.

Okay.

I'm less than a week here.

I feel like where I was before, there were like little mean girl cliques.

There was like, it wasn't comfortable.

I did not feel I was at home.

And in less than a week, I feel so comfortable with all of these women here.

They've welcomed me in that even if these doors shut tomorrow, I think I would reach out and stay connected to all of these women here because that's how they've made me feel.

They made me feel like I was part of this family, you know, in just a few, few short days.

I think you deserve, I mean, managers.

The on campus managers, they're not just managers.

They're also.

We each have our own personalized mentor to go to when we have issues.

Peer support, they're.

They, they stand up for us.

Like I said, I.

I came here pregnant.

My baby was born into this program.

He is like the Oasis mascot.

My Bam Bam.

Almost a year and a half.

Year and a half old.

I also got custody of my 6 year old.

I don't have any family.

This is my family.

These are my.

These are my sisters.

That is my mom.

This is our tribe.

Yes.

And my kids, These are their aunts.

Yeah.

You know, that's it.

I say, Carrie, my son was.

He won't go to anybody else but her most of the time.

A lot of the times he won't even come back to me.

You know, these are my.

This is my family.

And I, if the door is shut, I literally have, like, yes, I have a job.

I could probably go and get a motel room until I could get something else.

But motel rooms are triggers for me.

Yeah, there's slippery situations, and that's a very bad situation for me to be in mentally.

And so this is my refuge.

This is my home.

The handbook helps us relearn how to live.

I was just gonna say.

For us.

To learn how to behave as ladies, not as drug addicts.

Learn how to feel better about ourselves and help each other and relearn how to keep a house, how to Like I didn't hold a job my entire life and I've not only held one but two jobs, gave in my own like my very first two week notice and actually stuck to it to get to another job that I've been there for almost, almost a year now, you know, and I never had that before.

And that's because of the like it.

There's a rule in the handbook you.

Can'T call in, you can't not go.

To work without getting appropriate approval and a doctor's note, you know, so that, that persuades you from not going to work.

You know, there's a rule you have to get up out of bed by 9am that keeps us from laying around and feeling sorry for ourselves, being depressed and laying in bed all day.

You know, those rules are there to help us, to guide us.

And when she enforces those rules, rules, yes, she's strict, but that's because she loves us and wants us to be better.

Yeah, every rule has.

I'm sorry, but when I, when I just, I just went to jail and the first person who messaged me was ladonna before my probation officer, before my lawyer for my dad.

And she told me that we're going to make it through this.

Yeah, I don't, I don't.

We'll talk about.

She don't know why I did it, but we're going to make it through this.

And, and that she is going to ask drug court that I come back home.

Well, she didn't say home, but that's what I call it, home.

And my second message was from Anita.

And I mean, they didn't have to do that.

They had to pay for that.

They had to pay to message me and pay for me to open it.

And they took the time out of their day to let me know that, hey, you're welcome back here and we're going to get back on track.

I think that we've all, as addicts, we've lived such a chaotic and carefree life.

The sternness and the structure from ladonna teaches us how to stay focused and stay on track and live right to where we're not constantly ended up back in jail or dead.

It's for our benefits.

I've been asked since day one what my why was and that was stability.

And because of AIs, I mentally, physically, emotionally stable because of a basis.

I have an issue with asking for help.

Big time issue with asking for help is I've always done it on my own.

I got this, I don't always got this and when I don't always cut this.

She's got me, my girls have got.

Me, and God's got me.

Has anyone else in a press capacity, whether a journalist, podcaster, TV host ever come and speak to you guys or talk to you individually?

I just found out what a podcast was yesterday and that wasn't, I didn't even find out what it was up here.

I was, I just was like, what is a podcast?

And my, you know, my 12 year old knew what it was.

I was like, I was going to.

Be a I time.

And also about the rules here, they're not hard at all.

Like, like, like she, like, I don't know who just said it about, in your addiction, we run so freely and don't ever have rules.

But my 12 year old comes here and she's like, mom, you know, that's, that's a rule.

And she's like, if she knows them better than I do and she's so common with them, it just gives me like I'm, I'm just learning how to live in a normal life again, you know, they're just really simple freaking rules and they're not that strict.

It got a lot to do with the managers.

It does everything.

Don't make me do it.

I'm sorry.

Like, I, if it weren't for the leadership of Ladonna leading the managers, the managers leading us, I mean, it all rolls downhill.

And to have a great team or to have a great house, it comes from the top.

When I got here, I had a lot of self esteem issues.

And then back in December, January, I had a health condition pop up and I just, I really got depressed and I down on myself and I really wanted to give up again.

And for two, three weeks straight, Anita would come to me every day and say, who are you?

And for the first couple of days, week or so, I couldn't, I couldn't give her an answer.

I lost myself.

But she, I mean, she talked to me every night.

She helped me regain who I was and learn to love myself again.

And if it wasn't for her, I don't really think I would actually believe in myself again.

As far as managers like she, I mean, they all help me, but she's, she's been the one to sit there and help me realize that, pardon my language, shit happens, life happens.

There's nothing I can do about it, but there isn't something that I can do about how I feel about it and what I choose to get out of and learn from those situations.

So one of my favorite things that Lenore said is, tomorrow's another day and.

We'Re gonna make the best of it.

We'll get through the hiccups.

She's like, it's just a hiccup.

It's okay.

Now that you pointed out.

I did say that.

She told me that anytime.

She'S taught me, just in a few days, that it's good to have boundaries in place.

You know, I'm working on my filters and listening more and speaking less.

And you know what?

Nobody ever argues.

Someone my age really don't.

And if there so many women, we don't get into arguments at all.

There's no drama here, except for.

I mean, there's like aggravation sometimes, but I've never heard two women here argue, and that's pretty powerful.

Yeah.

I just wanted to say thank you ladies for speaking to me.

No matter what you hear, here's what I'm first upon you, and I've been very critical of this.

I've never met Ladonna before, so we were there three years.

It's the first time laid eyes on her physical.

She's the icing on the cake.

But I mainly came here for you.

Who do you represent?

Oh, I represent myself.

Some independent journalist.

Yes.

But I wanted to come here so the press upon you this.

If somebody cared about all the stuff, no matter what you see that is written or recorded, they would have done what I've done.

They would have come here.

Yeah.

No one paid me to be here.

Right.

So no one paid me to be here.

I packed up my wife and my two kids remain at home because I have total of six.

And we came here on our own diamond just to do this.

Wow.

Wow, awesome.

So I care about everybody here.

Long before you knew who I was, I've known about Oasis.

I've done my research into Oasis.

I've read a lot of articles about it.

Besides what Ladonna tells me, Ladonna is a very good friend of mine.

She family.

But like I told her to do this.

I have to do my due diligence to dispel everything.

Nobody can feel like I'm doing this.

Because she is my friend.

So I gotta ask the questions that I already know.

But I gotta get those questions.

No matter how hard it is for you, I know it's gonna make you cry, and I know that you feel persecuted, but if I don't ask these questions, then no one's gonna ever tell the truth.

So remember that no matter what you see or written, if those people care Instead of spreading smut or writing things on True, they would have came here like I did on their own time and said, can we talk to you?

How is this program?

So I am doing everything that I can.

I'll let you guys know when this go up so you guys can hear it and then you can hear what my end of that is.

So just know.

You don't know me, but I do care about each and every one of you.

And I've been in your boat, not with addiction, but I've lived in homes with my mom, in the shelters with things of that nature.

I know it is not easy, especially those that has children.

So thank you.

Thank you.

All right, guys, that was the interview.

Maybe because I have a heart, but when I hear that, when I had to edit it, when I hear it again, it really makes me tear up.

I know what it's like to be someone who lives in, for lack of a better term, a shelter.

They live in a recovery home.

To a degree, it's kind of the same thing.

You're in the recovery home to recover.

I was in a domestic violence home to get away from domestic violence.

But I believe it all runs in the same.

You have to be heartless not to have any emotion behind with these women just told you.

And on top of that, you have to be a fool to believe all of the BS that has been spewed about ladonna Humphrey.

Let me point out some key things that I think really should stand out to you in this interview.

I want to point out some key things that I think should stand out, because the fact that these are some of the things in which the lies was told to you, the people who listen to this podcast called Pretend.

I want you to remember that several of these ladies refer to Oasis as home.

They didn't refer to it as a drug treatment center.

They didn't refer this to as somewhere that's temporary.

I think one of the ladies even said that when she talked to her dad, she said she was ready to go home.

They compared Oasis to other sober living homes.

One lady said she's been.

Another one's, she got kicked out for voicing her opinion on how it was handled, that Oasis is the best sober living home they've been in.

A lot of ladies said that ladonna Humphrey would be the first person they recall if they were in trouble.

Matter of fact, one girl did say that when she went to jail, the phone call that she made was to ladonna to come get her.

Children are very comfortable when they come to the Oasis home.

The women there trust their kids with not only the staff, but the other women that live there.

They are a family.

There is no such thing as overcrowding at the Oasis home.

I've walked every inch of both houses.

I've seen every room.

I have photos that if not up by the time this goes up, they will be up shortly.

There was still, as you heard me say, another one, three beds that was empty when I got there.

I think at one point ladonna went down 2, 1.

And it's almost like a dog on Russian roulette lottery because you got everybody calling for that one bed that's left.

I watched Ladonna Humphrey do this myself, call after call after call, trying to figure out who they can put in, what's the best, who is more at need to get one bed.

And it was crushing her because she really wished she had beds to take all these women in, but she did not.

The program is only 12 months, but Ladonna will let them stay as long as they need, as long as they follow the rules.

Wasn't one of the biggest lies that ladonna just likes to kick people out of the program?

I think that speaks for itself.

The staff takes time, no matter what they're doing, to help each lady and make sure she is okay.

There is no such thing as men on campus.

I had to get clearance to go there myself.

You heard some lady, One of the ladies said that I'm the only man she's ever seen on campus.

And the other lady said that when there are men on campus, they are announced and they are yelled down.

That man is on campus.

Matter of fact, the man that is on campus will actually announce themselves.

Men are not permitted on campus.

This does include boyfriends, husbands, dads, unless you are cleared by Oasis.

Once again, I want to iterate this one.

This was one of many of the biggest lies that was told about Ladonna Huffrey and that was if a woman could not pay rent, she did not get to stay at Oasis and got kicked out.

Three women in the room said there has been a time when they could not pay rent.

They are also allowed to do community service in lieu of rent as some of them may not be able to get a job because they're criminal who records.

On top of that, there are other women that did say that they too were not able to pay their shared rent and they were allowed to stay.

I repeat this again for this episode.

I witnessed Ladonna Hufford herself from her own kitchen table.

At least give Five women, Grace and say, don't worry about your shared rent this week.

How about one woman broke many rules, got dismissed, called ladonna and was back in three hours.

Another lie.

You mess up, you get kicked out.

We kicking people out with babies.

That does not happen.

Ladonna has enough compassion to want to give people second chances.

I've witnessed in my own eyes, sometimes third chances.

There's probably only there right now that messed up the rule book, probably pretty bad.

And still sitting in Oasis.

This is who ladonna is.

The people in which she has to put out of Oasis.

She struggles with that.

Again, nothing.

I'm telling you because somebody told me things that I witnessed in the 13 days I sat in Arkansas.

Here's the other biggest lie, that ladonna's embezzling money and she hired all of her friends.

So from the board down to the management staff, those are her friends.

And they've been ordering the women to pay her directly in cash or in her own Venmo account so that she can split this money up.

I guess among the people that is her management staff, that's her friends, and they can all get rich together.

When the women was asked that question, if you paid attention, they were all shocked and they said in a big, overwhelmingly no and says ladonna has an account.

It is widely known that Ladonna Humphrey does not have her own personal cash app or anything of that nature.

She has one cash app account which goes to Oasis.

As a matter of fact, I was there when an email was sent to her from her bank asking her about large deposits that have been made into that account.

Did not have ladonna's name on it.

The other thing is, this place is horrifically messy.

It's disgusting.

Women shouldn't live there.

We need the DA to go out there.

I was there.

Extremely clean, nice, warm house, spotless.

But if you heard what they said, pretend podcasts had triggered random visits due to their lies.

Here's the other thing I want you to understand.

Ladonna Humphrey and staff never said, don't come.

Matter of fact, she called them and said, why don't y'all just come on out here and interview the ladies without me being here.

You can just drop in and see for yourself.

The ladies didn't know that.

One girl was told 20 minutes beforehand somebody was coming, so she had to prepare to give them a tour.

Now, listen, what I said prepare to give them a tour, not prepare to clean house much in the same way that happened with me.

Nobody knew I was coming.

I did the tour of the house before I did the interview, so nobody had time to clean up anything because I walked in with Ladonna there, looked at me all wide eyed, want to know who I was?

Ladonna introduced me and immediately said, do you want to give him.

Go ahead and give him a tour of the house.

So now the women in the one house knew I was there already.

The woman in the other house did not know I was there yet.

So if anybody was going to be caught off guard, it would be the women in the second house who didn't see me pull in with Ladonna.

There is nothing going on at this house that shouldn't be.

There is no dirtiness.

There is very clean baby crib, there is a baby gate.

The number of women that should be to a room is there.

I mean, I.

I can't say much more about it.

I mean, it was just that immaculate.

There was nothing there to catch.

And to be more specific, of who Ladonna and staff did call, they call drug court, they call probation, they called the Department of Human Services, and I think at some point even call some judges and said, if y'all want to come on out, show up.

The other thing I want to impress upon you again is the light still stayed on because Danny Humphrey and ladonna Humphrey came out of their pocket.

I will say this, yes, the lies cost Oasis some money.

I am not at liberty to tell you how much.

I know how much that I'm not at liberty to tell you, that that's not my place.

I just want you to know that the damage that they thought they did, they really did not do.

Yeah, I'm sure it kind of hurt for a little bit.

I'm sure it said always his back just a tad.

But because of the strong will of the director, because of the compassion of the director, and because of those who refused to believe the lies that was being told, Oasis still stands.

And I can fault all of these donors that remove their money, and I hope they're all listening to me.

And if they are not listening to me, and if Ladonna or whoever else is listening knows how to get it to them, get them this episode and let them listen to this part right here.

All of you guys are ignorant fools.

None of you guys are good business people.

You would rather take money away from women because you heard a podcast that was full of lies, yet you did nothing on your own to even investigate those lies.

You didn't go out there, you didn't call Adonna up and Say, hey, I'm hearing this.

What can you do?

Can we just come get some clarification?

No.

You either called her to say that you was pulling funding or that nobody was going to get this done other thing, or you was too chicken to do that, so you sent them an email.

Dummies.

Because if I was this person and I ran a business and I've done business with this organization before, and it's been good business, the first thing I'm not gonna say is, we're done.

No, I'm gonna call up.

Let me speak to the director.

Ladonna.

Yeah, look, I'm hearing about this pretend podcast.

They saying all kinds of ungodly stuff.

You know, I.

I probably don't believe it, but, hey, because of what we do for a living, I got to ask you some questions.

I'm sure ladonna would answer anything you wanted to.

Gave you the tour that I was granted.

And you guys could have seen that the truth was not with the pretend podcast.

But no, you guys didn't do that, because it's all about big business.

It's about money.

Nobody really cares about the women that's in this facility, because all you guys cared about was money, other than ladonna Humphrey and her staff.

But if you cared about these women, you would have taken the time to call ladonna and at least give her that much respect out of everything that she's done.

How about people getting kicked out?

Again, this goes with people getting kicked out.

People just get booted, and ladonna don't care.

What about the woman that said she went to jail, called ladonna and said, can you please hold my bed?

And ladonna Humphrey held her bed.

Now, for some of y'all, that's gonna say, well, that's cruel.

You got all these other women that's out here that needs a bed.

Oh, okay.

Well, it was her bed first.

She didn't want to lose that bed.

Whatever she did, she's admitting that she messed up.

But I think at the same time, she's crying, ladonna saying, look, you know, this is the only place I got to go if I don't have a bad deal.

Ladonna, I don't know what's going to happen to me.

That is the chance that ladonna does not want to take, because ladonna genuinely cares about each one of these women.

So when that girl got out of jail, she had her bed.

You heard me say this in the podcast, and I want to tell you that there's another Reason why people are jealous of ladonna Humphrey, because I brought up the Extinguished podcast.

And the reason I did that was because I wanted to show the ladies that no matter what ladonna Humphrey has going on, that there has been times that we've had a deadline to meet, but ladonna had to go take care of these women.

And I said, okay, let me know how it turns out.

When the Stingrays first started, that was one of them.

Now, if you don't believe me, you go look at it.

Our very first case.

I didn't make this up, everybody.

Oh, he's making this up for the.

Our very first case that we did on Extinguish.

One day, maybe I'll sit down and give you guys the history of how Extinguish came to be and what took place, but that's for a different day.

But if you go back and you listen to Extinguishers, the very first episode we did was on the Super Bike Motorsports murders.

The guy who committed the crime was named Ty Co Help.

We had a deadline because of the fact that representing us, ladonna went on a television show around this case using our podcast episode of what we knew.

And the name of the show was murder in the 21st.

If you go look up murder in the 21st, there is an episode.

There is episode six, call in plain Sight, that deals with that murder, and you will see ladonna Humphrey's face on there.

That whole entire interview that you will hear that was done with the wife of one of the victims is right on our podcast right now.

There's another reason why they try to tear down Oasis.

Because the fact that ladonna has done more things than the people that's accusing her of doing this stuff, and they're jealous of her career and how her career keeps evolving, so they try to tear down her career one step at a time, starting with the one thing that is near and dear to her heart besides her family, which is Oasis of Northwest Arkansas.

And talking about the person that gives second chances, at least five women there stated that they have been there more than once.

Some of them has been there three times.

I just wanted to point these points out because of the fact that these are the things that the pretend podcast has told you guys don't happen.

And they lied on ladonna Humphrey.

They tried to get Oasis shut down.

You heard them for yourself.

If you have a soul, how would you feel?

That's your loved one.

That depended on this program.

But because some stupid fools like Javier leave and Anthony Christopher went and told a bunch of lies.

Let's just say the doors got shut down.

Now, because the doors got shut down.

You've heard all these ladies tell you that this place does not run without Ladonna Humphrey.

You've also told you, at least some of them, that they've been in other places.

They don't work that well because they don't care the way Donna Humphrey does.

Now your loved one gets turned out, thrown on the streets.

The next thing you know, you're being told that, hey, your loved one's back on drugs, and we just found her in the alley, dead.

How you gonna feel because of their lies?

This is something that's very real that could have happened.

But you still want to call them journalists and podcasters.

You still want to believe everything they've said.

Out of all the stuff that I have exposed to you in the last almost 12 months, I'll repeat myself again.

This should be it.

I should just wrap up the microphone and said, this season is done.

This should be all that you need to have in front of you to say that Javier Leyva and Ethnic Christopher are the biggest liars that ever walked the earth, that they truly do have a cult following.

And all they've done is troll this woman and troll this place for the last 12 months because of jealousy, because of hate, and because of revenge.

But I do think that the other four episodes is very important.

That's why I'm going to do them anyways.

But I've said this in many other episodes, especially after the episode I did about Christopher's alleged rape.

That should have been enough.

Everything that I proven should have been enough.

But I see that it's not.

So now you've heard it directly from the ladies of Oasis themselves.

You've heard what this program means to them.

You've heard them say that Ladonna's not getting rid of them.

These ladies, some of them mess up multiple times.

They know that these other houses would kick them out.

Yet I watched the director of Oasis because she had some people that had problems when I was there.

I could tell by her look on the face.

And, you know, there's several times she's like, man, you know, she's talking.

Whoever, she gotta go.

So then I come back several hours later, hey, man, I know you had a problem.

You said somebody had to go.

What happened?

Oh, they still at Oasis.

She goes into anguish.

If she needs to kick somebody out, she tries to find ways to come to a common ground with these women.

If Ladonna puts somebody out of Oasis, it means it is absolutely the last straw.

There's nothing else that can be done.

She's already walked the line.

She's already tried to give cases, she's went to the staff.

Hell, I think sometimes she even goes to the board when ladonna puts somebody out of Oasis.

She's basically saying to you that she has done everything that she can do and this is the only solution.

One last point before I get out of here.

One such girl went on the Pretend podcast.

Next episode, you're going to hear about all the problems that she had, because he is always those that has problems with the program, that wants to be the first one to yell and scream about.

They were done unjustly, especially when there's money involved.

The only victims here are not victims of ladonna Humphrey.

The only victims that there are are victims of the Pretend podcast.

And I will go to my grave saying that.

To the ladies of Oasis, I would like to say thank you.

Thank you for inviting me into your home on a very short notice of not knowing that I was there.

Thank you for having this interview with me.

Thank you for showing your emotion and the true feelings that you feel about Oasis.

I think I told you guys when I was there, I'm probably a little biased because even though I'm not or never have been an addict, I have went through domestic abuse, abuse which some of you guys has probably experienced that since being a drug addict or any type of addict goes hand in hand.

I just want to encourage you to keep doing what you're doing.

Try to follow the rules, books as best as you can.

Follow the guidance of Oasis, because everybody there cares about you profusely, especially when it comes to Donald Humphrey.

I'm here if you ever need me.

I want to thank you guys again, and I wish you the absolute best in your recovery.

All right, guys, so that's that one.

I hope that this settles in some more stuff, but we ain't quite done yet.

That's just this one.

It's the most powerful episode I think I've shot in my whole career.

Like I've said tonight, when you go to bed, I hope this episode rings in your head and you start thinking about what a sham Javier Lee an Anthony Christopher is.

Let me remind you of what's coming up.

So next week you're going to hear the second interview I conducted, which is the interview with the managers.

They're going to talk about ladonna as a director.

They're going to talk about the one girl that went on the podcast that lied.

And we're going to hear why she was dismissed from from Oasis.

Oh, you don't want to miss this one.

You've heard from the ladies.

Now we're going to hear from the management staff after that.

We have three episodes left.

Let me remind you what those are so you guys can keep track where I'm going after next week.

Then we're gonna have the David versus Javier.

I'm gonna tell you what I've done in my podcasting career.

I'm gonna tell you exactly what he won Emmys for, which I think is laughable will be.

And I'll tell you why that is.

I'm not trying to crap on anybody's accomplishments, but when you want to throw that up against me, at least make the thing you're throwing up against me be in the same field that I am.

And it's not just an award that anybody can get.

After that, you're going to hear directly from Ladonna Humphrey herself.

It's going to be a candid interview.

We're going to talk about everything that's happened over the last 12 months.

We're going to talk about how she feels though.

Did she almost commit suicide?

How close was she?

What snapped her back into reality?

What really has happened to her because of Javier Lever and Anthony Christopher.

We'll get into all of that.

Then after that will be the end, the last episode of this season and you don't want to miss that because I'm coming full bore every thought that I got, what I really think of Anthony Christopher and Javier Leyva, what I think of all of these other so called friends Ladonna Humphrey has, including some of these podcasters out here that decided to turn their back.

If you really want to know the real reason why I decided to be the one to take up the mantle to defend Ladonna Humphrey, it will all be told to you in that final episode.

Come prepared.

I'm telling you now, it's probably going to be a long one.

I'm gonna unleash everything that I need to unleash before we say goodbye to exposing the witch hunt of Ladonna Humphrey.

And again, I'm gonna tell you this still will do all of that in less episodes in the pretend podcast did.

And I'm telling the truth.

So I should have been longer.

But the truth doesn't need to be longer.

We just lay it out there for you like we did on this episode.

So once again, thank you guys for joining me.

Looking forward to bring you these next episodes next week.

Again, the manager's interview.

You want to tune in for that?

That'll give you further clarity that you need to know that you've been lied to for almost 12 months.

Remember that although it may not seem like it right now, love will always conquer hate.

You guys take care of yourself and I'll catch you on the next episode.

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